lug-bg: [paulgor@xxxxxxxxxxxxx: Re: Situacia s CP1251 v Mozilla (aka NS5)]

[stoev@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Julian Stoev)]

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From: paulgor@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
Subject: Re: Situacia s CP1251 v Mozilla (aka NS5)
Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 21:14:11 GMT
X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Mar 08 21:14:11 2000 GMT

Julian,

I also was going to forward _the same_ message to this Newsgroup
today :)

But I wanted to forward *two* messages and 2nd message -
my response in that Mozilla Newsgroup to the message that
you placed here.
It is a method for Netscape ver. _4.5+_ (not for ver. 4.0x)

that may be useful for this Newsgroup -
no more Win-1251 fonts as Western will be required for sending
Win-1251 texts, all headers will have correct charset=windows-1251
and not charset=iso-8859-1:

(after you read the whole message below, you may want to translate
 the essense of this method into Bulgarian and post here)

========================================

Subject: Re: Cyrillic
From: Paul Gorodyansky <paulgor@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.i18n,netscape.public.mozilla.mail-news
Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 16:45:49 -0800

Thanks, Katsuhiko,

for the information of Windows-1251 Cyrillic in Netscape _5_.

You reminded me that you guys have already a useful feature
for _Bulgaria_ - if they want to use *only* Windows-1251 encoding
and *never* KOI8-R:

remember, last year you posted a note for Netscape 4.5+ that a user
can send a Windows-1251 message to the Internet, that is,
use Win-1251 as a _transport_ encoding?

The method is NOT working for ver. 4.0x (4.0 - 4.08),
it's only for 4.5+ (4.5 - 4.72):

 - close Netscape (it's a must)
 - open in a text editor (say, Notepad) file    Prefs.js
   (configuration file located in the
    <Netscape directory>\Users\<my user name>\)

 - add the following line (make one line from the 2 below -
   DejaNews does not allow lines longer than 72 characters)

    user_pref(
     "intl.mailcharset.override_1", "Windows-1251, Windows-1251");

then, having Win-1251 as a current encoding in Messenger,
this user will be able to send Windows-1251 message to the Internet.

That is, Netscape will NOT convert the text to KOI8-R and users
on any receiving machine (Windows, Unix, Mac) will receive a
Windows-1251 text.

Important NOTE 1.
================

 They need to make sure that such Windows-1251 will be readable
 by Mail or News software on different platforms. For example,
 I don't think that a Newsreader under Sun Solaris can show
 Windows-1251 text - it does NOT know about Windows-1251 encoding
 and its fonts, it knows only about standard "Unix Cyrillic" -
 ISO-8859-5 encoding.
 For example, currently Netscape under Solaris knows how to work
 with a message that arrives in KOI8-R - it converts the text to
 'Unix Cyrillic' - iso-8859-5 and then shows the text to a user
 using *iso-8859-5 fonts* _included into Sun Solaris_
 (it's what Sun use for Cyrillic according to ISO standard).

 So, if a Windows user posts Win-1251 text to a Newsgroup, then
 other users need to check that it is readable - using their
 Newsreader software - under all Unix flavors and other machines
 that readers of this specific Newsgroup use:
   Linux, Sun Solaris, HP-UX, OS/2, Mac...

Important NOTE 2.
================

This method is good ONLY for the case when *only* Windows-1251
be used - after changing Prefs.js, a user can NOT send, say,
a KOI8-R message to one Newsgroup and then send Windows-1251
message to another Newsgroup:

this is why I forgot (since last year) about this method -
in _Russia_ this non-documented feature is *not* usefull at all -
most Newsgroups use either only KOI8-R or both KOI8-R and
Windows-1251, while this Prefs.js modification makes KOI8-R
unusable:
it breaks Cyrillic in a Subject line of a KOI8-R message.

But in _Bulgaria_, if they want to use *only* Windows-1251,
and *never* use KOI8-R, this would be a perfect solution.

===
Just to remind you how it breaks KOI8-R (and we need to check
if this is not happening in Mozilla):
the setting above just tells 'do not convert Cyrillic', so I
can send *both* Win-1251 and KOI8-R messages using
View/CharacterSet, _except_ a case when I am sending KOI8-R
and a Subject line contains Cyrillic:
subject erroneously goes to the Internet as Windows-1251 text!
It does not matter whether Subject is 8-bit or MIME-encoded.
The easiest way to verify this bug is to use MIME subjects:
 - open New Message window
 - make sure I am sending KOI8-R:
    View/CharacterSet/Cyrillic(KOI8-R)
 - type Cyrillic in both body and Subject
 - when I receive such message, I see:
     - charset=Windows-1251    for Subject (incorrect)
       and it is really Win-1251 text - if I send it as non-MIME,
       8-bit 'as is' subject, I do see a Win-1251 text in the
       Subject line using View/Source
    - charset=koi8-r - for the body (correct) and the
      text is really KOI8-R as I can see via View/Source

That is, if an _Russian_ user wanted to use this feature
to send in both KOI8-R and Windows-1251 depending on a situation,
he could NOT do it - Cyrillic is often used in Subject line,
and while his Win-1251 messages would be fine, his KOI8-R ones
would be wrong.
===

But for _Bulgarian_ users of Netscape 4.5+ who suffer right now
and would like to use *only* Windows-1251 and *never* KOI8-R,
(if it's true in Bulgaria),
this feature, IMHO is VERY useful - they can happily work
with Windows-1251 as a transport encoding.

May be I will modify my page "Cyrillic for MS Windows Netscape":
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Paul_Gorodyansky/cyr_www.htm

and add this for non-Russian users (Bulgaria, former Yugoslavia,...)
who want to use *only* Windows-1251, but I will need to write about
my "Important NOTE 1" above - such users need to make sure that such
Windows-1251 text is readable on *all* platforms using a
platform-specific software.


--
Regards,
Paul Gorodyansky
"Useful Cyrillic (Russian) stuff":
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Paul_Gorodyansky/

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